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all about it in a live prime time exclusive. we begin with the big story tonight, sean penn, a hollywood star with a passion that goes far beyond the silver screen. he is an american original, fighting to make the world a better place. he has the battle scars to prove it. he is the founder of the relief organization. looking very trim yourself, you're not running the marathon? >> no, i'm not running the marathon, i have to be there to observe properly. >> that will be very poignant. on a big scale, obviously, a first major marathon since boston. and we all know how that ended in such disaster. it is also a chance for you to bring these five haitian runners, all from very different backgrounds, to come and run. you're sponsoring them and you will be there at the finishing line. tell me why you're doing this. >> well, i think for one thing, you brought up hurricane sandy. and so on.

it does occur to me when hurricane sandy happened having gone through what the haitians had gone through and through all the hurricanes they go through, in addition to the earthquake, there was this incredible feeling of solidarity. and i think that the runners themselves are you know, there is -- none of the runners from the haitian team will have ever entered weather below 75 degrees farenheit. but i think that is one of the things that they take a lot of pride in coming to new york. also because i think that they have a great feeling of gratitude for the support that the united states and the people of the united states have given their country, following that earthquake. and -- but also, there are -- it is the chance to bring haiti back onto the world stage. and then each of them have their own, you know, very personal stories and those are finally the things that any broader mission is -- you know, finds its value in, when you find that

the pride of the individuals in that country, within which you work -- >> well, the extraordinary thing to me, having only witnessed the new york situation after hurricane sandy because i was there when it happened, trying to imagine what it was like in haiti. and you know that better than most, you spent so much time there. but the resiliency and the spirit of people when these things happen is absolutely extraordinary. i saw it in new york, you saw it firsthand in haiti. what is it about the human spirit that reacts, do you think, in such a remarkable way to terrible natural disasters? >> well, i don't know if i like the word "reduces," but it brings us to our most commonality of circumstances, when it comes right down to it, the things, the acts are mostly circumstantial, that come out of an area that are our weaknesses. we recognize the frailty, the

position we are in against mother nature. the weakness we are put in against violence. so there is a commonalty that has only one direction to go, and it is forward. and i think it is one of the symbolic aspects of this long run for haiti, the team that is coming in. >> well, let's just take a look at some of them. three of the five runners who talk about why they're doing this, and the motivation. >> right after the earthquake, i stopped running because most of the things were destroyed in my country. i had lost all hope, i decided to run again, and running reduces sadness, stress. >> i began to take sports and running more seriously. the day of the earthquake, i was in the house. >> amazing stories, all very, very different, all come together, all the competitors,

the oldest is 43 years old, i couldn't even run to the end of this block. very proud of them. it must be a big adventure for them to come and do this. >> i went up and watched them train. it was beyond -- you asked me if i was going to run in the marathon, all you had to do is be there and watch them train. >> there is a rumor that pam anderson is running with them. >> pam anderson is such a force of nature, she has helped our organization, she is one of the people that popped up, not the typical thing, she is looking at organizations that she can go firsthand and see if she can go -- she comes and offers help, yeah, she is running the new york city marathon. >> i must say if she was in my team, i could run after pam anderson, that may have been the most motivating factor i would have had. >> there will be a lot of people running after pam anderson. >> there is also -- coming so

soon after what happened in boston, there will be an added poignancy there, as well, after hurricane sandy. where were you when the boston attack happened and what was your reaction to it? >> it was in port au prince, and i guess, it seemed it was probably more of a lone wolf kind of thing. because it seemed it was not the size of explosion one would typically equate with a bigger organized action. but almost more frightening for that reason, because it -- it is that lone wolf thing that is the hardest for agencies to track

and to intervene on ahead of time. so the next thing, though, while i was -- all of my musings about all of this going on was the very thing again you were talking about, was with everything that goes wrong, when you see the strength of people bonding together. when you -- you know, hear the stories of courage, of love in the families that were devastated. you do have a reminder that we -- you know, that there -- there was a thing that the poet laureate of india had written, every new child born proves that god is not discouraged of man. we have to find out we just don't have to be totally discouraged. and sadly, it is too often out of tragedy that we get that

reminder. >> when you see what happened in boston, of course, it raises this whole issue of how far a government should go to bug people. let's put it as simply as that, to try and track people. to read e-mails, listen to phone calls, et cetera, the whole nsa scandal, really, boils down to how far you go with this. i want to play you a clip from dick cheney first, before i get your reaction. >> well, the problem i have with snowden is he had access to classified information. he violated the conditions under which he got those. he is a traitor, pure and simple. and i don't think you can judge him any other way. some people want to say he is a whistle-blower, he is no whistle-blower, he has done enormous damage to the united states by talking about my methods we collect -- about methods we collect intelligence. >> what do you think about edward snowden? is he a genuine whistle-blower,

a traitor, a bit of both? >> in effect, i think that -- well, a legitimate whistle-blower is one who is the curator of the information that they're distributing. i didn't feel that that was the case with manning. and i don't think that that is the case with snowden. i did feel that was the case with daniel ellsburgh. i think that we will find forgiveness in our justice system and in our hearts when somebody has called foul on crimes -- by our government against our people. or against other governments or people. but what has become a kind -- the whistle-blower term is being associated with a blitz of information, based on the kind of -- the narcissism of the so-called whistle-blower. has there been a lot of good stuff that came out of the wikileaks? yes, it did.

did we know that many people whose lives were put in jeopardy for that, people who fight very hard for this country? yes, we do. and certainly, diplomacy has fallen under enormous attack. so i encourage the whistle-blower who sees that the constitution of our country is being violated and who takes the risk to sacrifice themselves. but they have to be very careful. >> they must be indiscriminate. i mean, that has always been my issue, as you say, with manning and to snowden, the indiscriminate apparent nature of what they're putting out there and not thinking about the potential damage. >> of course. >> where does the line get drawn in terms of the government's ability? we saw this week that the american administration has been accused of bugging angela merkel, the leader of germany. and i'm sure many other countries, apparently millions of people in spain have been listened to or had had their information tracked by the nsa. >> yeah, we have been nosey.

>> do you feel uncomfortable about that as an american citizen? or do you understand that if you want to try to prevent more of the boston-style terror attacks they have to be very nosey? the nsa? >> i suppose again what it does with me and why it makes me very nervous is because i think that we are fragile in so many other ways now. and that we are not standing on the sure footing that the united states has gotten used to. and yet we convince ourselves that we are. and at the same time we are losing friends at a quick pace. so yes, i think we're in a pretty precarious situation now. >> and every time the government shutdown story reemerged on a daily basis, i think i wonder what sean penn thinks of washington coming to a halt, a well-paid halt for the politicians and not for the american people. we'll get the reaction after the break. and also, your reaction to julia roberts, and working with julia

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>> what would your gut say? >> i don't know, i know, you mean -- i can say this right off the top. i don't know if there is such thing as a better actor or actress than meryl streep than i've seen on film. >> that is amazing. >> i think she is lovely. >> this is the best job application i have ever heard. i would love to see a movie with you two. >> yeah, i would, too. >> what makes her so special? >> if i knew, i would be doing it? >> well, what do you look at -- >> i think she is entirely unfair. we come in and do garage band music, and mozart shows up. and i would leave the set. that is not right. >> seriously. what about on the men's side -- >> well, there has been all of

this -- you know, from nicholson and de niro, and the whole -- you get into daniel day. look, there are great actors, they all make you want to go off and become an accountant -- >> i would ask you who is the worst one, we'll leave that one. what i love about having you on the show. this is your fourth appearance, we get such divisive reaction, so many people love you, we get so many people like this one, kathy said having sean penn on the show does make sense, in that neither one of them knows what they're talking about. >> maybe she has something on us. >> what do you feel about your polarizing reputation? you didn't have to be an activist, but you did. i know many of the actors who won't talk about politics, they don't want to be polarizing. >> you know, i was in port au prince, i had to leave haiti

now, i have to travel to the third world country that i come from. you have been you know, this i think -- on the forefront of this gun thing. there -- all of these things. and this is also where you get -- people who think these things -- i think -- let's go to the tea party influence on congress. i think there is a mental health problem in congress. this would be solved by committing them by executive order. i think, because these are our american brothers and sisters, we shouldn't be criticizing them or attacking them. this is a cry for help. >> people like ted cruz? >> he is my american brother.

we should take care of him. he is -- >> actually have him committed? >> well, i think it is a good idea. but then you look at the -- look, there is a lot of reason to take a shot at me, and i've given people a lot of reason to over the years. but the thing you're talking about and the way people's perception of political positions are, is a direct reaction to their education. which is this huge problem that we're dealing with in the country. and between an uneducated people and the people like ted cruz and their party, it is a poisonous thing. and these things, we talk about -- this is why this period of time, this is one of the things that is so fascinating to me in haiti. here is this country where we have it all. we have it all to make it great. and we find ways of self-destructing.

and by you know, saying nasty things about each other. and being crazy. and yet haiti, this country that never had anything. you know, i started a little ngo, the haitians that came in and took it over have removed half a million cubic meters of rubble. we have 150 homes fully built and constructed. we have 58,000 people with -- the haitians that i get credit for, that run my organization have taken 58,000 of their own country people out of a tent camp and put them in sustainable housing situations, with lively hood programs, it is 9 million people in haiti, which is like an american city.

when you see the unification that comes, we happen to have currently a very, very inspired president. prime minister in haiti. and that leadership, with the people, with their incredible unity of spirit, i don't mean that it doesn't have incredible problems also. it is now becoming kind of a model in my head when i look at our country. >> right. >> and i guess that is the cycle of things. you will find among the weakest the strongest, and among the strongest, the weakest. >> did you -- you just made me think of something. another guy who was polarizing, deliberately so and spoke his mind, was lou reed. did you ever meet him? >> i met him on several occasions. i didn't know him well. i drank and we talked about martial arts. he was very into martial arts

most of his life, i think. you know, i don't know that the loss of somebody has -- the artists, the musicians, the actors i know, i probably have gotten more messages of people really being impacted by his loss. he was a very big inspiration to i guess, everybody. >> what i loved about him was on twitter and social media, this huge outpouring of tributes. all of them starting riplou reed. he thought it was an over used phrase, the last thing he wanted was to rest in peace. >> that may be. i'm about to interview another guy who grew up in hollywood and had a lot of trouble in hollywood as a child star. corey feldman. you have seen a lot of actors going off the rails, you have

had moments yourself. you have always been very honest about it. what do you want to say to young people who want to get into the hollywood business, and maybe parent whose are going to put their kids into this cauldron? >> my opinion is that we notice them because they're in that business. i know a lot that don't go off the rails. and mostly i know people that go off the rails, i think it is exactly the same as people who are not in the business. you know, money, some people, you focus on -- you could focus on people -- young people in other businesses that have money and make the same mistakes, the same thing. i don't think it is particularly the movie business is really my feeling. but if it gives dr. drew a job, it is. but i don't think it is. >> would you mind if your kids wanted to be movie stars? >> neither of them would use that word, i don't think. but i wouldn't mind at all.

no, i think it was one of the things i thought again, when i saw this osage county movie, it is just a reminder when you see a movie, the gravity if you saw that. movies matter. they can be big medicine. this is what i said for the speech, for julia the other night. being reminded that it can matter. not all movies matter. and i think we really should work very hard. we should be more responsible about the movies that we make. and how -- what we're talking about and the times we're living in. something that dr. o said about the responsibility of the artist, to know the times in which they live. and to apply themselves to it, whether if you're a period film, stylized films or naturalistic modern films. but yeah, i think it is a profession, it is a bigger sin to get off the rails than others because it is an incredible opportunity to speak to people.

>> well said, sean penn, as always, fascinating to talk to you. please come back again soon. the great event, sunday, the new york marathon, if you're out there watching and want to help. you can get on there and you can help support them in this remarkable effort. sean, you did a great job out there, no other way to describe it. if i was a movie star in hollywood, enjoying my mansion, you get out there and help in the tents in haiti. i know they're incredibly grateful. great to see you, and best of luck on sunday. >> thanks a lot. coming up next, corey feldman, child star, and the dark secrets of young hollywood. it should be a fascinating interview coming up after the break. have hail damage to both their cars. ted ted is trying to get a hold of his insurance agent. maxwell is not. he's on geico.com setting up an appointment

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down as one of the true lost boys. his new memoir is a disturbing look at the dark side of hollywood. welcome to you, corey. >> hello, piers, thank you for having me and thank you for your recent support. >> well, listen, it is a pleasure, because anybody like me that remembers the '80s at all, remembers you, the two coreys, very famous. and both had a lot of problems, i guess, dealing with the fame and money and everything that comes with it. sean penn, i thought was very interesting there. it may be just that you would have had these problems and people in hollywood may have had them in real life. >> he is exactly right. i say that all the time in interviews. i say people want to focus on hollywood, because we're famous, yeah, if you're famous you want to talk about it on the news. what about the millions of kids around the world dealing with alcohol or drug problems, they still end up losing their money and lives.

but it happens in all races, all walks of life. but it is not in the spotlight. >> i have to say, it is really difficult to read sometimes. you talk about the really dark, sleazy dark side of hollywood, focusing on the abuse that you and corey suffered, physical as well as mental, tell me about that. >> well, my story in and of itself is very tragic. and i did have a very, very rough upbringing. i endured a lot of pain in my childhood. i didn't choose this life. it was chosen for me. i was not a guy who came to hollywood with big dreams and decided he wanted to become a star. it was not like that for me. for me, it was like i guess you would compare it to child slavery or being born into royalty. you can look at it however you choose.

it is not a choiced life, like most human beings have the right to choose. for me, it was this is what you are going to be. and before i internalized what it was, it was there. there was no taking it back, so the struggle became how will you move forward from this point? will you embrace it and continue to use it as a strategy, guide or goal or will you move back from it and try to create a different path? well, by the time i was even old enough to know what that decision was, it was far too late. i had to go forward, so here i am today. >> it was extraordinary. you were seven years old when you effectively became a star as a commercial actor. you were the prime bread winner in the family. to make it work, both your parents suffered from problems with drugs. you went on to use cocaine, finding your mother's stash. it is a very abusive scenario

for a young boy to be growing up in. and it was only really two years of your life, the hard drug partying time. and you're still known, even now, as the coke head corey, which must be quite galling, how do you try to get over that partying side when it is such a small part of your life? >> you know, piers, i think i tried to shrug it off for the last 20 years, but that didn't work. so instead i wrote a book. if you can't side step it or imagine the people that got past it, then you have to imagine the people or internalize it, why is it that people want so much to put this branding on me? what is the purpose? what is the driving force? and then i started to realize as i became older, wiser maybe, a little more mature, maybe. i started to realize that the driving force is people are ashamed. people have their own secrets.

people have their own things that they may have done to me through a course of action that they hoped would kind of get covered up and go away. and i became inspired with all of this notion, really, when i saw what happened with my dear friend, corey, after he passed and was snubbed at the oscars. that was it. that was the final straw for me. i then realized at that very moment. i get it. we are being asked to be erased from history. they're basically being asked to erase our legacy, everything we achieved. this guy earned over a billion dollars. literally his films, if you go back and do the math, his films, not including mine, did over a billion dollars at the hollywood box office. and yet, where is he? why would he be ignored at the oscars? that made no sense, and i tried to look at the demon, the real demon is things happened to this kid that were terrible, torture. he was literally demonized. not just in the sense that the things that were done to him, but it is more about the sense

of the things that were done as a result of the things that were done to him. so basically, instead of you know, allowing him to ability to recover from the things that happened to him, which he was not unfortunately able to, i had the same type of things done to me, not to as severe a measure. but i still had difficult things i dealt with. i was able to get past them, to the point i was here today, alive, sober, and able to deal with it. he unfortunately is not here today. he did get himself together. he was in much better shape before he passed. he did not die of drugs, as i said when i was on larry king. i said when the toxicology reports came out, he was not on drugs and it was not because of drugs. but it was because of a life long abusing himself, as a result of the things that

happened to him as a kid. that is really the moral of the story. things happen to us as kids. somebody felt bad about it. so instead of taking the blame, they took the shame and acted like our legacy didn't exist, but it did. >> one of the extraordinary legacies you cultivated was with somebody else who would know about that, michael jackson, i wanted to talk about your relationship with michael. he was not here to tell the story. but he died as a tragic result of the hollywood victim, many would say. >> yes, indeed. i save time, money,st, and i avoid frustration. you'll find reviews on home repair to healthcare, written by people just like you. find out why more than two million members count on angie's list. angie's list -- reviews you can trust. so ally bank has a that won't trap me in a rate. that's correct. cause i'm really nervous about getting trapped. why's that?

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i'm sure most of you are aware that we lost -- the world's greatest entertainer this week. and -- i want to not only dedicate this show to him, because without michael jackson, i wouldn't be performing on stage tonight. >> corey feldman, performing with his band, shortly after michael jackson's death. and back now with corey, talking about his memoir. your relationship with michael jackson was clearly a very important one to you. had its ups and downs, you fell out with him briefly, he was a mentor in other moments. and obviously, he died at age 50.

what is your overview of that relationship? >> well, he was the big brother i never had. quite honestly. he was everything to me as a kid. he taught me so many things. he taught me about loving animals, being a vegetarian, and how to meet your fans. the moment you meet the fans may just be a fleeting moment to you and you have to take time for it. and for them, it is an important moment in their lives, and how you treat them, the exchange, he taught me a lot. >> he had obviously a difficult relationship with his father, and you also had a similar relationship with your parents. did you discuss that with him? >> we discussed everything. it was literally like a big brother, little brother relationship. we talked about everything. i talked about the abuse i endured at school, and that is also in the book. the difficulties of going to

work every day, instead of going out to play. we were robbed of our childhood. we were not able to have sleepovers or go take your bike out with other kids. that didn't exist for us, that was not a reality. instead we had to go from meeting to meeting, sit in a roomful of people all day. and be judged and have people question you about everything that you do. again, life under the microscope. totally different, a very different perspective than most people ever have the experience of having. >> your first marijuana joint was apparently with river phoenix. >> yeah. >> obviously, we talked about the other corey before the break there. and michael now, three people who are no longer with us. does part of you, corey, feel fortunate to still be alive? >> oh, thank god, god bless, yes, i feel so fortunate, so fortunate. i saw you talking on "the talk" the other day. you were appearing on that show. and you had said is it possible for corey to have a comeback and

the things he has to overcome. i thank you for that, it is always good to put the thoughts my people's mindings. quite honestly, i don't feel that i have gone anywhere. i am one of the few people that i know has consistently worked. i never stopped. i do three films a year generally. of course they have not been the huge smash films like they used to be. but that is okay, i'm still working, i'm creative, and do what i love to do. i have the first release, coming out. directed by the legend arthouse director, being released. i'm very excited to be in the game and very humbled by it. that said, i'm also grateful to be on earth. i have a beautiful son, a beautiful life today. i have overcome a great many things both professional and personally.

so i think more than anything, this book is more of a testament to the fact that not only have i survived it, but i have learned how to survive it and be happy. and that is the big thing. i am happy, i love life itself, i love helping people and love spending time with my child. so the rest is just gravy, really. >> well, corey, it is a fascinating book, it is searing, and anyone who wants to know what the dark side of hollywood is like. >> and there is a lot of good stuff, too, a lot of happy moments. >> but the upsetting stuff is very upsetting. i applaud you for being so candid about it. it is a great lesson. >> you brought up a good point, piers, which is that i did go off the rails but it was only for two years. a lot of people want to keep you in that hole. and i wanted this truth to come

out for people to really open their eyes and examine it and go wait a minute, let's think back. when did he have his problems again? oh, yeah, that was history. yet, still in the forefront of the news. >> well, corey, great to have you back, in the forefront. the book is out, coreyography, thank you for joining us. >> thank you. >> and coming up, tips from jerry seinfeld's better half in the kitchen. she is also very funny. jessica seinfeld, after the break. the american dream is of a better future,

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jessica seinfeld is a cookbook author and mother of

three children. her latest book is the "can't cookbook" welcome to you. >> thank you. happy to be here. >> here's my technique with cooking. i can play one song on the piano, "let it be" by the beatles. but i play it so well, i can convince everybody i'm the next liberace. with cooking, i can cook one thing brilliantly. this is like a god send. it is packed full of simple recipes for idiots like me. >> yes, idiots is a perfect word. if you can cook spa getty, i believe you are not afraid of the kitchen. >> i'm aggressive. >> i believe anything about you is aggressive but it's this is great because you can get in and out of the kitchen really quickly.

but i took four years writing this book for people like -- you used the word "idiot" i use the work genius like my husband who is incredible at everything else. >> what is the simple way to be a good cook. >> i feel like this is what people do. they judge themselves. they have so much shame about it and it is really like, food. we're just going to eat again in a few hours. >> these dishes look complicated. >> they are simple and that's the point. i am committed to cooking for my family every night of the week and i don't want to spend a lot of time doing it or run around shopping all day long. i don't have the time and don't want to spend the time doing it. but i want to figure out -- everybody thinks of this as a problem. let's break it down and not be afraid of it and not judge ourselves for it. let's just solve a problem.

>> does your other half cook for you? >> no, he doesn't. but he is obsessed with this book with that you can take something and take it apart. he used bo to be at the kitchen table and now he's at the counter while i'm cooking. >> talk me through what we have here. >> we have chicken wings which i'm excited about for you. >> i love wings. wings and beer watching the super bowl. >> i'm doing a wing crawl with my friend next week. you can come with us. it wasn't a real invitation. >> i will be there, where i come from, invitations extended you turn up. >> i never imagine it. this is chili. this is the first chili you will

ever need to make. you just throw stuff in a pot. it's the simplest thing. and there's no reason to be afraid of it. >> i got my associate producer, lizzie, she tried several of the dishes. she is not a great culinary expert. on the right we have your effort. there is lizzie's on the left. not bad. >> it's beautiful. i love it. >> i have the pizza as well. >> hello. what? beautiful. >> can we move to the chocolate cake. >> the flourless chocolate cake. >> we are going to get into that soon, you and i. >> i love cream. i love the whole thing about it. >> cream is the best. any time of -- >> do you crack jokes as you're cook? >> i drink wine when i cook. that usually -- >> who is funnier, you or jerry? >> i think jerry is funnier. >> i think you are funnier.

you have making me laugh all the time you have been here. >> who makes who laugh more? >> i definitely make him laugh. and you had that experience when you made him laugh. >> i had my special moment. i made jerry seinfeld laugh. let's have a final meal. who would you guest with be? >> i would love eleanor roosevelt, the beals, they're my kind of people. and, who else? somebody who could make us laugh. my husband. >> he'd be good he's had his moments. >> jessica seinfeld, thank you for being here. "the can't cookbook" the recipes for absolutely terrified.

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